NYCMinutes04/12/2012

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Attendance

Dan Yifu Bryan Sarah User:Boxysean Amelia

Minutes

Bryan:

[1] What is the vision of the FNF? Is it prescriptive of the network? [2] No, it's not." (in response to [1])

Amelia:

[3] Yes it is. Vision to create infrastructure across America. (in response to [1])

Yifu:

[4] Equipment is available today that wasn't 10 years ago, we have the ability to change. [5] Can make your network for how it works for your community instead of relying on the phone company. [6] NanoStation is important, example of recently available technology that enables consumer-driven networks.

Dan:

[7] Is this a form of libertarianism? (in response to [5])

Bryan:

[8] This should not be a profit-driven thing. (in response to [7])

Dan:

[9] The telecom market is not competitive, and should be more competitive.

Bryan:

[10] Wireless spectrum is a huge barrier-to-entry. Billions of dollars were spent recently to secure new spectrum rights.

Yifu:

[11] We are moving to a policy set that makes the FNF's goals more desirable (e.g., SOPA, PIPA) [12] Facebook game developers must use Facebook currency which has a 30% processing fee. Why don't we use something else? Why isn't there alternatives?

Saraswathi:

[13] With regards to Isaac's and Occupy.net's presentation two weeks ago at ITP: class was disillusioned by Isaac's "integrity" argument. It sounded good, but "you should use/support the FNF because you have integrity" is not a motivating factor. The economics of the idea, however, was appeal, especially the apartment building local net.

Ying:

[14] Economics of the FNF idea make sense, may even be cheaper. (in response to [13])

Bryan:

[15] No evidence of cheaper, things are expensive and usually end up being more expensive than we predict. (in response to [14])

Sean:

[16] Isaac lost the class when he left the economist argument and turned to an ideological argument. (in response to [13])

-- break --

Bryan:

[17] Where are the layers that are least free? What are third parties that are working on these layers?

Yifu:

[18] I do this because I want to control my data.

Bryan:

[19] Notion of deletion does not exist on Facebook photos because it is a hard problem. Notion of data deletion does not exist in general. [20] Communicating the ideas is an integral part of the project. Storytelling, narratives, communicating why this is better.

Yifu:

[21] How can we make the tech work? The tech will communicate the power of the network. (in response to [20])